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it is very difficult for president obama to say the right thing. >> barack obama knows that president mubarak is quite angry. he feels a little cheated. it was a stiff conversation between the two of them. coming from press spokespeople and diplomats, you know that was a heated conversation. it is difficult for the americans. they do not want to be seen to interfere. they do not want to be seen to force the change of government. that would alarm other allies that have in the region. nor do they want to be seen to prop up somebody who many are calling a dictator. it is difficult. until now, the white house has watched, waited, and world with the situation as it has evolved. i suspect they will do that in the coming days. >> let's crossover to egypt's second largest city, alexandria. mohammed, who do you think will take the place of president mubarak? >> i think the one and only one is someone who has a very good reputation and is one of the best politicians in the whole middle east. some have been taking kind of like those, asking who they will support, elbaradei and two other people?
it is very difficult for president obama to say the right thing. >> barack obama knows that president mubarak is quite angry. he feels a little cheated. it was a stiff conversation between the two of them. coming from press spokespeople and diplomats, you know that was a heated conversation. it is difficult for the americans. they do not want to be seen to interfere. they do not want to be seen to force the change of government. that would alarm other allies that have in the region. nor...
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people here feel is playing a double game as my colleague laura emmott explored from london president obama started a my belief that an orderly transition must be meaningful. it must be peaceful and it must begin now and then fully one after the other one the i. the governments followed suit. to show these democratic change has to start now. it needs to happen now the growth of freedom and democracy in egypt and it seems the theme was contagious as the call for a new egypt spreads uncontrolled across the western mass media there were no one hundred fifty thousand people in the streets of cairo protesting for democracy this is how democracy happens but what right do u.s. and european leaders have to get involved in what's essentially domestic old rest about dissatisfaction with a ruler who cares what they want in egypt certainly not these demonstrators at the egyptian embassy in london basic or did you feel regime for such a long time. you feel regime when now they are talking about democracy and respect the from the right side of this and so obama's speech. could be seen on the face so much
people here feel is playing a double game as my colleague laura emmott explored from london president obama started a my belief that an orderly transition must be meaningful. it must be peaceful and it must begin now and then fully one after the other one the i. the governments followed suit. to show these democratic change has to start now. it needs to happen now the growth of freedom and democracy in egypt and it seems the theme was contagious as the call for a new egypt spreads uncontrolled...
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i think the obama administration has it correct here. i think they understand from the get-go they've understood exactly what our goals are. wu we also have other interests. we need to be sensitive to them. egypt was a critical player in the peace process of the middle east. we don't want a catastrophic failure of prevention on the gaza strip and on the border with egypt. we don't want radical movement of one kind or another to fill any vacuum. we don't want to send a message to friends that we don't understand those kinds of sensitivities. so i think the key here has been to make clear that we understand and are sympathetic to and supportive of the aspirations of the people of egypt, that we know there's a need for change. but to make it responsible change. change that can be affected with accountability and transparency and ultimately hopefully with an outcome that permits the aspirations the people are expressing in the street to actually be fulfilled, to be worked on, to be advanced. that's the key here. and it's a tricky line but i
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president barack obama called for an immediate peaceful transition of power in egypt. in a speech on tuesday, obama said he had spoken earlier with president mubarak by telephone and conveyed his opinions. >> he recognizes that the status quo is not sustainable and that a change must take place. and what i indicated tonight to president mubarak is my belief that an orderly transition must be meaningful. it must be peaceful. and it must begin now. furthermore, the process must include a broad spectrum of egyptian voices and opposition parties. it should lead to elections that are free and fair, and it should result in a government that's not only grounded in democratic principles but is also responsive to the aspirations of the egyptian people. >>> the united nations human rights chief says up to 300 people may have been killed in egypt's unrest. she appealed for calm during tuesday's protests in the country. the u.n. high commissioner for human rights navi pillay read a statement prepared by spokesmen in geneva on tuesday. the casualties have been mounting on a daily b
president barack obama called for an immediate peaceful transition of power in egypt. in a speech on tuesday, obama said he had spoken earlier with president mubarak by telephone and conveyed his opinions. >> he recognizes that the status quo is not sustainable and that a change must take place. and what i indicated tonight to president mubarak is my belief that an orderly transition must be meaningful. it must be peaceful. and it must begin now. furthermore, the process must include a...
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barack obama said in he wants to see change in egypt begin now. but the final say amelia with egypt's military offices. -- melee with egypt military offices. for now, president mubarak seems to be winning the standoff. but he will be going soon, so what happens then? egyptians have to face the possibility suddenly. mubarak -- egypt has always been a police state. the country has been run on emergency legislation for 30 years. under the president, the generals have run a very tight ship. personal freedoms have been in short supply, especially freedom of speech. the new vice president, omar suleiman, another general of course, used to be the head of intelligence. now he speaks for the government. >> i want the opposition to understand we can do what president mubarak has said. and when a new president will come you will have more time to make any changes you want. >> the president's accuses the legal political group be muslim brotherhood of arranging the demonstrations, but there is no evidence of this. the brotherhood was founded in 1928. it has of
barack obama said in he wants to see change in egypt begin now. but the final say amelia with egypt's military offices. -- melee with egypt military offices. for now, president mubarak seems to be winning the standoff. but he will be going soon, so what happens then? egyptians have to face the possibility suddenly. mubarak -- egypt has always been a police state. the country has been run on emergency legislation for 30 years. under the president, the generals have run a very tight ship....
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make no mistake, most protesters in the crowd would like president obama to come out, boldly support their cause and ask mubarak to leave office right now. diplomacy doesn't work that way. a lot of american allies are watching the americans very closely to see how they treat their friends. we did, however, late tonight hear from the president. white house correspondent, savannah guthrie, is there with what he said. savannah, good evening. >> reporter: we have now heard from the president, and he did not call for hosni mubarak to step down right away. he watched the speech in the situation room today, and then spoke to the president of egypt for about 30 minutes afterwards. the president said tonight that mubarak realizes the status quo is not sustainable, and a change must take place. >> it is not the role of any other country to determine egypt's leaders. only the egyptian people can do that. what is clear, and what i indicated tonight to president mubarak, is my belief that an orderly transition must be meaningful. it must be peaceful. and it must begin now. >> reporter: the presid
make no mistake, most protesters in the crowd would like president obama to come out, boldly support their cause and ask mubarak to leave office right now. diplomacy doesn't work that way. a lot of american allies are watching the americans very closely to see how they treat their friends. we did, however, late tonight hear from the president. white house correspondent, savannah guthrie, is there with what he said. savannah, good evening. >> reporter: we have now heard from the president,...
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and that will be a fill your for the obama administration. so i think administration is taking the view at least that it can influence, pressure suleiman with whom we have a close relationship into doing what is promised. producing these reforms within six months, finding time for political parties to come into being, talk to the egyptian people. it's all pretty far-fetched in a way when you think of the very close time frame. and certainly elbaradei says it's not possible. we need mubarak to go, he says, and we need a year to prepare elections. >> rose: i want to turn to one thing that i thought you wrote about really well, which is the sense of dignity that pervades the people that you have met. i'm quoting now from a man who said "why would we trust him now to play it right?" that's the question the west hand answered. you say "the deeper problem is more culture than political, to accept the mubarak or chaos argument is a form of disrespect to the civility and capacity of tahrir square. it's an expressio o western failure before the explod
and that will be a fill your for the obama administration. so i think administration is taking the view at least that it can influence, pressure suleiman with whom we have a close relationship into doing what is promised. producing these reforms within six months, finding time for political parties to come into being, talk to the egyptian people. it's all pretty far-fetched in a way when you think of the very close time frame. and certainly elbaradei says it's not possible. we need mubarak to...
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president obama told mubarak he has to move quickly. people here do not think he can hang on until september. their primary goal is to see this situation in egypt stabilize and no one thinks that can happen with mubarak still in power, but publicly they're still walking this very fine line. we saw the press secretary, robert gibbs today, stop short of saying that the president had told mubarak directly last night leave office now. >> i'm not going to get into flushing out some of the very specifics of the conversation that was had. i think progress and change must come to cairo. progress and change must come to egypt and it needs to happen quickly. >> i do not think the president could have been clear with the president of egypt last night. >> reporter: and there are ongoing conversations at all levels of the u.s. government with egyptian officials leaning on mubarak to make this move, the transition to a new leader as the white house likes to say. but they don't want to publicly humiliate this long-time u.s. ally. as one senior aide sa
president obama told mubarak he has to move quickly. people here do not think he can hang on until september. their primary goal is to see this situation in egypt stabilize and no one thinks that can happen with mubarak still in power, but publicly they're still walking this very fine line. we saw the press secretary, robert gibbs today, stop short of saying that the president had told mubarak directly last night leave office now. >> i'm not going to get into flushing out some of the very...
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president grant obama is expressing impatience. he says that men are failed to prepare a statement to and it needed changes. the ship's main opposition leader is now warning of potential violence and rest. he says that america is gambling with his country. he is worried that america it is one to be at hand. >>james: we're also fallen foes. i want to bring one at that we find seconds ago. they are saying he is throwing his weight behind. they want a gradual transition of power. anything more than that will cause instability. the military is endorsing the plan. so far that is where they stand. he knows what will happen as the protests continue throughout the day. they are questioning the decision. they have questions whether he is credible to begin with. yesterday he challenged it government to explain his path to democracy it to the world. this is a global issue. egypt popular uprising shows that a new middle east is rising. one that has no signs of israel and u.s. interference. very it western sentiment against. i want to show you
president grant obama is expressing impatience. he says that men are failed to prepare a statement to and it needed changes. the ship's main opposition leader is now warning of potential violence and rest. he says that america is gambling with his country. he is worried that america it is one to be at hand. >>james: we're also fallen foes. i want to bring one at that we find seconds ago. they are saying he is throwing his weight behind. they want a gradual transition of power. anything...
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feel regime and now they are talking about democracy and respect the for the rights of this and so obama's speech i want. because you see it on the fence so much. i mean it is not the same going overboard out there saying that's the appearance for a transition where is this peaceful transition or there are shades of past conflicts in the world's attitude to the situation in egypt egypt is a sovereign state but what they have always done the west they've used this humanitarian or good moves they've said oh we can intervene in yugoslavia we can intervene in bhalo russia we can put sanctions for example this week so i put sanctions on. the grounds that they in directions were in some way invalid or there were some irregular as well they're all sufficient irregularities in the british elections without your knowledge you opinion putting sanctions on bond it's a complete turnaround for the western world which is always supported hosni mubarak is a force for stability in the region. the u.s. gave him one and a half billion dollars a year for his armed forces alone and it was western support that
feel regime and now they are talking about democracy and respect the for the rights of this and so obama's speech i want. because you see it on the fence so much. i mean it is not the same going overboard out there saying that's the appearance for a transition where is this peaceful transition or there are shades of past conflicts in the world's attitude to the situation in egypt egypt is a sovereign state but what they have always done the west they've used this humanitarian or good moves...
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obama stopped short of calling for him to resign. andrew north has more on the fine line the administration is walking. >> the message from president obama gets tougher and tougher, but it's not one president mubarak wants to hear. >> he needs to listen to what's being voiced by the egyptian people and make a judgment about a pathway forward that is orderly, but that is meaningful. >> that means, the egyptian leader stepping aside and the government beginning real reform and dialogue with opposition groups. >> the key question he should be asking himself is how do i leave a legacy behind in which egypt is able to get through this transformative period and my hope is that he will end up making the right decision. >> hundreds of thousands of egyptians are keeping up the pressure for their leader to go. they called friday the day of departure, but it wasn't. some wonder how much longer they can carry on. president obama is all but calling for president mubarak to go now, but there's no sign of the egyptian leader budging. this is becomi
obama stopped short of calling for him to resign. andrew north has more on the fine line the administration is walking. >> the message from president obama gets tougher and tougher, but it's not one president mubarak wants to hear. >> he needs to listen to what's being voiced by the egyptian people and make a judgment about a pathway forward that is orderly, but that is meaningful. >> that means, the egyptian leader stepping aside and the government beginning real reform and...
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you after almost three weeks of protests and we saw a lot of fudging on the side on the part of the obama administration and its western allies but finally the the penny has dropped here it's still kind of sketchy here but it looks like the military is in charge and we have vice president suleiman still on the scene but the people protesting and depending on who you want to listen to hundreds and hundreds of thousands or millions and millions of people finally got their wish what's the next step is this a good step for democracy or is this a good step for the military. the protesters are demanding that the emergency law is a kind of martial law measure put it in one thousand nine hundred one which suspends what civil liberties there are in the gyptian constitution that that be abolished and if it is true that the military is acquiescing in the major demands of the protesters then we would move away from those emergency laws the arbitrary detention of people torture and so forth that's one of the major demands besides the stepping down of mubarak and another demand of the protesters is tha
you after almost three weeks of protests and we saw a lot of fudging on the side on the part of the obama administration and its western allies but finally the the penny has dropped here it's still kind of sketchy here but it looks like the military is in charge and we have vice president suleiman still on the scene but the people protesting and depending on who you want to listen to hundreds and hundreds of thousands or millions and millions of people finally got their wish what's the next...
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the obama administration stepped up the pressure on mubarak to begin the transition of power. spokesman robert gibbs said, "now means now." egypt's army ordered protesters to clear the streets, and the crowds here have thinned but the protests apparently will continue. that is the "cbs evening news" for tonight. i'm katie couric. reporting from cairo. thank you for watching. good night. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >>> free parking for bus drivers? i'm phil matier in san francisco where the city says no more to that perk. >>> confusion over clipper cards on cal trains. just ahead the $400 mistake you don't want to make. >>> take a look at this beautiful landmark behind me. the clairemont hotel surviving even the oakland hills fire. but now a new problem. bankruptcy. the story coming up. >>> good evening, i'm allen martin. >> i'm dana king. $80 a month to park. it would be a steal for a lot of people who work in san francisco. but muni drivers are furious that the city is ordering them to pay anything at all. phil matier sh
the obama administration stepped up the pressure on mubarak to begin the transition of power. spokesman robert gibbs said, "now means now." egypt's army ordered protesters to clear the streets, and the crowds here have thinned but the protests apparently will continue. that is the "cbs evening news" for tonight. i'm katie couric. reporting from cairo. thank you for watching. good night. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org...
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meaningful, it must be peaceful, and it must begin now. >> reporter: but one big question president obama did not answer is whether it's enough for president mubarak to leave in september or whether he needs to step down now. katie, back to you. >> couric: i'll be back with >> couric: i'll be back with more from cairo later in the broadcast. but now let's go to new york where harry smith has the rest of the day's news, including that latest storm that's pounding much of the country. harry? >> smith: that's right, katie. a massive winter storm that's slamming the country from colorado to connecticut. we'll take a look next. eled to s of nfl training camp to put our 24-hour frequent heartburn protection to the test for two weeks. [ diehl ] people think we're indestructible, but if you're out there and you're feeling burning it's gonna affect the way that you play. prilosec otc is the one thing i can count on to block my heartburn. when i take it in the morning i'm ready to go for the rest of the day [ male announcer ] prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn! buy two 42-count
meaningful, it must be peaceful, and it must begin now. >> reporter: but one big question president obama did not answer is whether it's enough for president mubarak to leave in september or whether he needs to step down now. katie, back to you. >> couric: i'll be back with >> couric: i'll be back with more from cairo later in the broadcast. but now let's go to new york where harry smith has the rest of the day's news, including that latest storm that's pounding much of the...
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care -- to enforce obama care. those of you know me know that i am not easily satisfied. there is the position i have taken. >> ready? >> solutions waiting for a problem. so in december, when it became clear, when the c.r. was tasked to fund the government, we must not only shut off all funding for obama care for the rest of this fiscal year, but we should follow the model of the funding that shut off the four -- what shut off the funding for the vietnam war. that is there, and it exists in other scenarios, as well. notwithstanding any other section of law, all funds that have been heretofore appropriated, and obama care automatically appropriates as well as of the rises, we can shut those ofcom and if we do not come obama in here will become a growing malignant tumor -- we can shut those off, and if we do not, obama care will become a growing megan touma wrote -- malignant tumor. shutting off all funding that has been put in the pipeline for the funding of obama care must be done. fight on. if we do not fight on t
care -- to enforce obama care. those of you know me know that i am not easily satisfied. there is the position i have taken. >> ready? >> solutions waiting for a problem. so in december, when it became clear, when the c.r. was tasked to fund the government, we must not only shut off all funding for obama care for the rest of this fiscal year, but we should follow the model of the funding that shut off the four -- what shut off the funding for the vietnam war. that is there, and it...
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. >>> in other news, president obama named 12 prominent religious and community leaders to be part of his advisory council on faith-based and neighborhood partnerships. of those whose religious affiliations were identified, all were christians or jews. the white house says more names may be forthcoming. the term of the previous 25-member council expired almost a year ago. the group advises the administration on issues of particular interest to the faith community. >>> house republicans unveiled their proposals for deep new cuts in the federal budget, and religious groups had mixed reactions. the proposed package includes scaling back on many domestic and foreign aid programs. several faith-based groups raised concerns about the impact on poor people both in the u.s. and around the world. religious groups were divided over the push to eliminate funding for family planning programs. >>> also in washington, relatives of seven iranian baha'i leaders currently in prison in iran lobbied for the release of their family members. the seven baha'i men and women were arrested in 2008. they were
. >>> in other news, president obama named 12 prominent religious and community leaders to be part of his advisory council on faith-based and neighborhood partnerships. of those whose religious affiliations were identified, all were christians or jews. the white house says more names may be forthcoming. the term of the previous 25-member council expired almost a year ago. the group advises the administration on issues of particular interest to the faith community. >>> house...
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in its policies toward the banks, obama's policies towards the bank e bailout, obama's policies towards the detroit automotive industry, and obama's policies towards health care. this is corporatesism. it is friendly fascism and, frankly, i want nothing to do with it. >> what was your relationship with william f. buckley and what is your relationship with his son, christopher buckley? >> my relationship with bill was very warm. i have in my library a picture of a sailboat in the moon light, that bill painted and i always loved that painting and one night we were having drinks at his house and i said, bill, gee that is a wonderful painting, i thought he was a very good amateur painter and he said, do you think so? and grabbed it and, there i have it and woke up the next day and, i had this beautiful painting. and for many, many years we were close. christopher, what he said about bill in his book and what he said about his mother, he shouldn't have ever said. these are things that you keep to yourself. >> losing mom and pop book. >> yes. and i think he was -- it is disgraceful and there
in its policies toward the banks, obama's policies towards the bank e bailout, obama's policies towards the detroit automotive industry, and obama's policies towards health care. this is corporatesism. it is friendly fascism and, frankly, i want nothing to do with it. >> what was your relationship with william f. buckley and what is your relationship with his son, christopher buckley? >> my relationship with bill was very warm. i have in my library a picture of a sailboat in the...
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president obama signed documents to implement the "new start" treaty today. the nuclear arms agreement with russia will limits each country's number of strategic warheads. it also allows the two sides to resume inspecting each others' nuclear arsenals. the treaty will be finalized this weekend when secretary of state clinton and the russian foreign minister exchange ratification documents. the environmental protection agency has announced plans to regulate perchlorate in drinking water. the toxic chemical is found in rocket fuel, fireworks and explosives. it's been linked to thyroid problems in pregnant women and young children. e.p.a. administrator lisa jackson laid out the agency's plans at a senate hearing today. >> it's about protecting the health of the between five million and 17 million americans that have perchlorate in the water that they drink. as we look at our regulations for perchlorate, we will look at the feasibility and affordability of treatment systems, the costs and the benefits of potential standards, and of course, we'll make sure our app
president obama signed documents to implement the "new start" treaty today. the nuclear arms agreement with russia will limits each country's number of strategic warheads. it also allows the two sides to resume inspecting each others' nuclear arsenals. the treaty will be finalized this weekend when secretary of state clinton and the russian foreign minister exchange ratification documents. the environmental protection agency has announced plans to regulate perchlorate in drinking...
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topping the target list: president obama's health care reform. businesses are watching the battle carefully to see if their contracts will be eliminated. investors are looking for signs uncle sam's red ink will finally come under control. darren gersh has more on the spending drama. >> reporter: as you would expect, democrats and republicans mixed it up pretty good today. one of the hottest fights: whether to prohibit the obama administration from spending money to implement health care reform. new jersey's scott garrett called it a question of freedom. >> this is the first time in the history that the price of being an american is that you have to buy a particular product that some unknown un-faceless bureaucrat in washington ordains you have to buy. >> reporter: minority leader nancy pelosi fired back republicans are protecting insurance companies. >> it is again this congress saying to the american people we're here for special interests, we're not here for people's interests. >> reporter: republicans even took some swings at each other. tea p
topping the target list: president obama's health care reform. businesses are watching the battle carefully to see if their contracts will be eliminated. investors are looking for signs uncle sam's red ink will finally come under control. darren gersh has more on the spending drama. >> reporter: as you would expect, democrats and republicans mixed it up pretty good today. one of the hottest fights: whether to prohibit the obama administration from spending money to implement health care...
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it is all made up numbers by the obama administration. obama keeps saying he wants to create jobs. he is doing everything to not create jobs. the health-care bill which has been ruled unconstitutional will destroy jobs and caught -- and cost us trillions of dollars that we cannot afford. behind the scenes, he is trying to pass cap and trade with the epa standards. everything he has done has been tried here and around the world and has failed. the only reason people are spending now because they know inflation is going to hit and everything is going to go sky- high. guest: we do know the president does not see the jobless rate ahead of time. he sees it barely -- he sees it very shortly before it is released publicly. talking about whether government policies sway hiring, that is something you hear a lot from republicans in terms of the health care bill and in terms of the tax code and things like that. we have seen the president come out and say they are taking a closer look at regulation out there and whether it is inhibiting job growth. host: that rouge, louisiana, on our democrat
it is all made up numbers by the obama administration. obama keeps saying he wants to create jobs. he is doing everything to not create jobs. the health-care bill which has been ruled unconstitutional will destroy jobs and caught -- and cost us trillions of dollars that we cannot afford. behind the scenes, he is trying to pass cap and trade with the epa standards. everything he has done has been tried here and around the world and has failed. the only reason people are spending now because they...
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you know i think that you know this has to be tied into the broader context which is there's one of obama's closest longest term associates ca sunstein who was formerly a law professor at the university of chicago who is now his chief regulatory officer in the white house who published a paper in two thousand and eight that talked about what he called cognitive infiltration of online communities and he described how where people gather on the internet and to reinforce one another is what he believes to be false perceptions of the world false political views. if a call conceptions of things that the government ahd a coordinate efforts of people who were covertly to infiltrate these communities online and rebut these ideas through pretending to be part of this community but in reality being paid in full informants or infiltrators on the part of the u.s. government it's a very long and carefully considered law review article that even considered whether or not communities like this that traffic in what he believes to be false political ideas ought to be banned and he said the widget made it wo
you know i think that you know this has to be tied into the broader context which is there's one of obama's closest longest term associates ca sunstein who was formerly a law professor at the university of chicago who is now his chief regulatory officer in the white house who published a paper in two thousand and eight that talked about what he called cognitive infiltration of online communities and he described how where people gather on the internet and to reinforce one another is what he...
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obama would like him to stay on forever. but they're trying to develop a case for, you know, who's most like gates? had experience in government, is calm, has some political experience in the white house, number one candidate? chris: exactly. >> leon panetta. chris: really? >> absolutely right. chris: head of intelligence. >> in '72 but it was until '83. chris: any chance for secretary clinton to move up to defense? >> there are chances. it's not decided but i think panetta, i think chuck hagel, former republican senator is on the list. chris: the thing with panetta has that's really important here is he's a budget cutter. he has a history of budget cutting and that's what the job is all about. chris: that's what we thought cap weinberger would do, remember, cap the knife. >> one othe big reasons i think been overlooked in egypt is the role corruption has played and particularly since the financial crash. people have said to me when time got really hard with unemployment spiking and food prices going up and the financial cra
obama would like him to stay on forever. but they're trying to develop a case for, you know, who's most like gates? had experience in government, is calm, has some political experience in the white house, number one candidate? chris: exactly. >> leon panetta. chris: really? >> absolutely right. chris: head of intelligence. >> in '72 but it was until '83. chris: any chance for secretary clinton to move up to defense? >> there are chances. it's not decided but i think...